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3/03/06 - Interview from
a while ago with ARTE SIX magazine
I did these two interviews a year or so ago and never thought to post
them on the site...
until now... so here they are!
FROM ARTE SIX MAGAZINE'S "LIVES" SECTION
LIVES: Joanna McMeikan, singer/songwriter
" I used to dream in blacks and indigos/Like
a murder of crows/In Van Gogh's dark horizons..."
SONGS/INSPIRATION
Songs are journeys through ideas, workings-through of ideas, and ideas
are everywhere. And nowhere, for that matter - sometimes ideas seem
to pop into my head out of the ether.
Inspiration comes from everywhere. It really can be anything; a painting
that moves me, a film that makes me think, a poem, a memorable moment
in my life, a feeling I'm working through, a face I see on the street,
pain, joy, confusion...anything that jumps out and grabs my attention.
I'm forever getting lyric and melody snippets while I'm driving or talking
or walking or just going about my daily routine thinking about something
else entirely. After years of lost material, I finally learned to keep
a cell phone in my car and now I call my answering machine whenever
I have a song idea and hum or dictate it for myself so that I have it
on record someplace.
CONCEPT/COMPLETION
That element varies wildly. The fastest it ever happened was with a
song called "Goodbye"(not on this album), which came to me
in a blinding flash, and almost wrote itself, as if it were being dictated
to me from somewhere else. I think it took about 20 minutes.
The longest period I can think of between concept and completion was
a song called
" Past Unconditional" (track 6 on "Breaking the Habit"):
A hole in the clouds and I fall through
Another life another time another me another you
A cave underground that I crawl through
Another life another time another me another you
Lost on the edge again,
you taste the earth
And wonder how to begin
Smoke your cheap cigarettes,
take your cynical brushes
And color my skin
And when our dark eyes meet, time freezes
Oxygen burns
Back in the bloodstream again, the only addiction
That always returns
And what makes a love?
Is history enough?
What makes a love?
Is poetry enough?
What makes a love?
Is chemistry enough?
What makes a love?
Is honesty enough?...
And when I look in your eyes
I see lives behind lives
beyond truth beyond space
beyond time...
I wrote the lyrics for this very quickly after an inspiring day with
a friend at an art exhibit of Lee Krasner's work (Krasner was Jackson
Pollock's wife). We'd been discussing reincarnation, creativity, karma
and TS Eliot, among other things. I knew the song would be largely spoken,
and I had an overview of how the parts would fit together, but I just
couldn't quite make it work.
So it sat in my half-written songs folder for three or four years. I'd
think of it from time to time, have an idea for it, forget about it;
then suddenly one morning, when I was halfway through working on "Breaking
the Habit" and not thinking about this song at all, I woke up and
knew I could crack it.
I can't explain it any other way, I just knew it was ready to be born,
and it wanted to be part of the album. So I sat down at the keyboard
and a few hours later had the outline for much of the recording you
hear on the CD.
I write differently every time - sometimes music first, sometimes lyrics,
sometimes melodic or rhythmic ideas that the song gets built around;
sometimes an idea comes to me in the car like a gift, sometimes I sit
down at the piano and go hunting for inspiration. It's all very haphazard.
I know this is different for everyone - but for me, songs that matter
to me artistically (writing on commission is something else entirely
because less of your soul is invested) are born however and whenever
they want to be born, there's no incantation or ritual that's going
to bring one along when it's not ready to occur.
NATURE VS. NURTURE
Talent is absolutely necessary at the higher levels of playing music.
You can't train that spark into someone who hasn't got it. You can train
them to be competent -- but never brilliant. Then again, if you have
the talent but don't train it, it's worse than useless. So, both are
necessary.
EXPERIENCE
Every song I have ever written has its basis in something that happened
to me or to someone I know, or to someone or something in an artwork
that I relate to in some way. This is not to say that every song is
a literal and true depiction of my life; I often take poetic license
and add fictional elements and exaggerate the parts that seem most interesting
in order to explore whatever feeling or issue I am trying to explore.
All of the songs on "Breaking the Habit" have some piece of
my experience in them, sometimes exactly as I tell it, sometimes quite
far removed and sideways.
Know what, though, I don't think there's much difference at all between
fiction and real life; both are essentially stories, adventures, comedies,
tragedies that get made up as we go along. If there's a difference,
I suppose it's that we have less control over our real life, and the
ends are seldom neatly tied-up. The ink goes down on the page but much
of the process is largely beyond our control or understanding. And because
we're unavoidably embroiled in it, in a temporal sense, living from
moment to moment, I think the question of whether real life is as predetermined,
as set in stone as a completed work of fiction, becomes largely irrelevant
- since we have to experience it as choice either way. So then the most
important lesson becomes learning to let go.
LEARNING CURVE
The most insightful thing anyone ever said to me was: "It's all
about expectation." To be honest I'm not sure who said it - it
may have been my friend Cheryl, or it may have come from a Buddhist
text of some sort.
Wherever it came from, it was a life-changing lesson for me. I think
almost all unhappiness comes from deflated expectation. We're all forever
painting pictures in our minds of how things are going to be, how we
expect things to go, and then we freeze-frame our idea of things and
invest so much in the frozen image that when the actuality happens and
is not exactly what we decided we wanted, we feel cheated somehow.
Even worse, when this happens to people who are not living in awareness
of themselves and their emotions, they can often go into a place of
great fear and start striking out blindly.
You can see a macrocosm of this process any time there's a war. It's
all rooted in fear. We'd all be so much better off just floating, untethered
to expectation, free to navigate the ebb and flow of the river and negotiate
the bends as they come -- which is not to say we can't plan things or
hope for things, just that we shouldn't get so invested in specific
outcomes that we can't appreciate the surprising realities that often
pop up, and the unexpected rewards and lessons they can bring.
I make a conscious effort to remember that, and practice it a tiny bit
more every day. It's going to take me a lot more than a lifetime to
get good at it.
THEMES
For the title of my first album -- I actually went looking for it. I
gathered together the songs I wanted, and looked at what they had in
common, at what had defined that period of my life.
What I found was a number of songs about obsession, addiction and trying
to break out of damaging patterns of behavior - in a few different ways,
but most conspicuously in the relationship arena. So, "Breaking
the Habit" it was.
In this album, I was working through ideas of obsessive, compulsive,
addictive behaviors.
Also, generally, ideas about living a conscious life and letting go
of expectations and obsessions, ideas about reincarnation, about distorted
reality perception, about love and anger, about youth and age, about
that kind of bittersweet starlit universal sadness that can seep in
under your skin on lonely evenings.
I used different sides of the experience of being in love as one way
to explore the idea of obsession. And of course there is an endless
amount to comment on in the love arena, and so much we don't understand
about it. That's why artists never stop exploring the topic - and why
so few of us ever really get relationships quite right.
LOVE
Music is the ultimate universal language. It speaks directly to the
soul. It crosses boundaries of country, belief, gender, race and sexuality.
It's one of the only things I can think of in this mundane, harsh, confusing
world that actually is magical. It soothes, it feeds, it inspires --
what could be more necessary than that?
HATE
I'm trying to be more Zen, to be calmer and more accepting in life...but
until I succeed, here's a short list of stuff that really irritates
me:
- Los Angeles traffic jams
- People who eat noisily and smack their lips together (my friend and
I call this "groinking")
- George Bush
- People who spit in the street
- Physical violence, particularly the strong attacking the weak. One
of my big personal peeves is the way people treat animals, as if their
lives were somehow not worthy of respect and care.
- Chewing gum/bubble gum
- Prejudice/racism/sexism/homophobia/fitness and diet Nazis/religious
zealots/anything with a clique or an "I know better than you do
and I'm going to tell you all about it" type of mentality behind
it
- Getting sick when I have things to do
MINOR OBSESSIONS
All my life I've been fascinated by reality perception. How do we create
the bubble we each call reality and why do we have a tendency to assume
our bubble is the 'real' bubble?
Is 'insanity' simply what happens when you create a reality that not
enough other people in a particular society are willing to corroborate?
When we very clearly do not have the whole picture (as to why we are
here, if there is a reason, what happens next, what are we doing and
so on), isn't it somewhat insane for anyone to assume they know anything
at all?
I'm not sure that there are answers available to us here. Just more
questions, layers of onion, deeper and deeper. But I've certainly delved
a long way into the question and continue to do so.
WORDS AND MUSIC
Songwriting is an incredibly cathartic process for me. If I'm thinking
about an aspect of my experience or life in general, chewing it over
in my mind, or if I'm suffering in some way, it will inevitably end
up scribbled down in song lines on a piece of paper somewhere, and because
songwriting is such a process of condensation, it's the perfect means
to work through something and come to a place of peace with it.
You really don't have much time to say anything in a song -- you have
to express yourself in a couple of verses and a chorus - you have to
boil your story down to its essential elements, and that unavoidably
leads to a greater understanding of the core, the center, of what you're
trying to get at. The truth of whatever you're feeling.
Writer's block? Oh, God, yes! It exists. Sometimes, the well is just
dry, dry, dry. When that happens, I think it's best to walk away and
go do something else for a while.
INFLUENCES
I absolutely love Joni Mitchell as a songwriter, I think she's just
an amazingly talented poet and musician.
Lines like: "You are in my blood like holy wine/you taste so bitter/and
so sweet/Oh I could drink a case of you/And still be on my feet"
just blow me away. Her albums are packed with lyrics as good as that
one, and music of equal caliber. Kate Bush is also a favorite of mine,
she's so individual and unafraid, such a creative trailblazer. Other
artists I listen to a lot would be Sting, Tori, Alanis, Tom Waits, Suzanne
Vega, Beck, and many others.
Songs I wish I'd written? There are so many!
A few I can think of offhand would be: "A Case of You" by
Joni Mitchell, "Shape of my Heart" by Sting, Sheryl Crow's
"Weather Channel", Aimee Mann's "Wise Up", Billy
Joel "And So It Goes", Tori Amos' "God", Beck's
"Paper Tiger"...but I could go on and on.
On a related subject, the performance I wish I'd sung, or the performance
that affects me the most strongly, is Eva Cassidy's rendition of "Over
the Rainbow" on the "Songbird" CD. I have to listen to
it sparingly, since I can't get all the way through it without crying.
I think Eva had an absolutely unparalleled genius for heartfelt vocal
performance.
As for books - I studied English Language and Literature at college,
so I've read far more than I ever wanted to and I'm sure most of it
has influenced me one way or another. A few writers I especially love,
though, are poets Sylvia Plath, Shelley, Blake, TS Eliot, Yeats and
Philip Larkin, psychologist James Hillman, sci-fi writer Philip K. Dick,
and Virginia Woolf.
Other things that interest me: Psychology and philosophy - particularly
the areas where the two coincide, such as reality perception, the line
between 'madness' and 'sanity'. If I wasn't a singer/composer, I'd definitely
be either a poet or a psychologist/psychiatrist/ psychological researcher
in reality perception. Or both.
DOWNTIME
What I'm reading right now: "Birthday Letters" by Ted Hughes,
a collection of poems written just before he died, about his relationship
with Sylvia Plath - almost a response, decades later, to her posthumous
volume "Ariel".
I'm also halfway through "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
by Sogyal Rinpoche, which grounds me when I start losing it in the Los
Angeles madworld.
Also love fine art, poetry and movies, and anything absurd or unusual.
My favorite comedian is Eddie Izzard. If you haven't seen "Dressed
to Kill," you're missing out.
INSIDE TRACKS
I'm not a great believer in telling anyone my idea of what my songs
mean, simply because I think one of the most beautiful things about
a song, or any work of art, is how much it changes, metamorphoses, depending
upon the eyes and the soul of the person who's viewing it.
So I'll just take the last song on the CD,"Today", and tell
you the story behind the writing of it:
"Today"
She walks every night
In a world without air
And there's blood on her hands
There's death in her hair
Watch her crawl
To the surfacing world
It ripples and shimmers
In the eyes of a girl
When you've seen through the mirror,
how can you unlearn?
Or make a return to straight lines?
Well, they say that in time we'll be saved -
It's a lie
All we have is today
They tore her away
From the place she was born
Now she spends all her days
Just trying to get home
And the answer she seeks
Drifts like foam on the seas
And the pain in her chest
Brings her down to her knees
When you've seen through the mirror,
how can you unlearn?
Or make a return to straight lines?
Well, they say that in time we'll be saved -
It's a lie
All we have is today.
Ah -
Soon I'll be under the earth
In dreams again...
I wrote "Today" as a poem, originally. It was a little
different from the song lyric as it now stands, it started something
like:
" How do you come back from that place without air
When there's blood on your hands
When there's death in your hair..."
The poem was inspired by, of all things, a rerun of the final episode
of "MASH", where all the doctors and nurses are finally going
home. It got me thinking about servicemen and women who return from
wars, and how jarring and surreal and beyond awful it must be to have
to try to wrench yourself back into the workaday world after the hellish,
inconceivable experiences of war. Once I'd finished the poem, it touched
me, and it seemed like it wanted to be a song. So I sat down at the
piano. I knew it was going to be eerie and intensely intimate, so I
chose F minor (my favorite key) and kept it minimal, leaving a lot of
space to say what the words don't. Music and melody flowed along fairly
easily.
For the chorus, I adapted some lines from the poem's second verse, which
went something like this:
" When you've seen through the mirror, how then to unlearn?
Or make a return to the straightening line?
The eye of the storm in its spiral and gyre
Cries 'Time. Only time. Only time. Only time.'"
Somehow, though, once I'd reached "or make a return to straight
lines", the song itself took over and refused to accept the idea
of the poem, which was that time can at least go some way toward healing.
The song didn't want to be so simplistic, I guess, and the melody and
lyrics:
" Well, they say that in time/we'll be saved/It's a lie/All we
have is today" appeared in their entirety out of the ether. Or
maybe out of the music.
I'm never quite sure how that happens, all I know is those lyrics were
not part of my intention. But they settled into the song, and that was
that.
I wrote the second verse in the usual way, and once that was done, the
whole song seemed to have another facet to it somehow. It now seemed
to contain an additional story about being ripped away from the place
we came from and forced to live out these lives, never knowing how or
why...and so the closing lines came into being, tying up both the element
of dreamscape and the element of life/death that were now running through
the song alongside everything else.
My favorite thing about "Today" is that I think it's wide
open for interpretation. I think it will mean a hundred different things
to a hundred different people, and that makes me happy.
Interview with VOICES &
VISIONS webzine
Your musical inspirations?
Anything and everything can be inspiring to me. Life is inspiring, in
all its darks and lights, and if I'm living fully and consciously there's
always something worth writing about. It can be a gorgeous landscape,
a painful and wrenching experience, personal growth, a painting or poem
or movie that reaches in to my guts and connects, something stupid I
did, a love affair, a family dynamic, an abstract concept, something
a stranger said on the street, a particular rhythm when I'm walking,
a funny-colored piece of mud on my shoe... really, anything and everything.
For instance, "Past Unconditional", one of the songs on my
new cd "Breaking the Habit", was inspired by a combination
of T.S.Eliot's poem "Four Quartets", a day out with a dear
friend discussing reincarnation and seeing a Lee Krasner exhibit, Lee
Krasner's art itself, Sting's experimentation with asian instrumentation
combined with solid and interesting grooves, my desire to experiment
with percussion loops, and a Paula Cole song "The Rhythm of Life".
I didn't set out to write a song about any of those things but my memory
and experience of each were somehow melted down, added to my own individual
take on life and musical ear, and poured into a song.
Having said that, I probably had no idea what had inspired it while
I was writing -- the actual experience of writing is more magical for
me, more alchemic, a matter of allowing the elements to make their way
towards each other and sculpt themselves into some kind of work of art.
In the end, I'm never really sure how in control of that process I am,
and how much of it comes from outside of me and just uses me as a conduit.
There's a very clear and powerful feeling of connection to something
"other" when a song is really flowing well, a feeling which
I think leads a lot of songwriters to say that "the songs write
themselves". And in a way, they do.
Any CD's or songs which are meaningful
to you?
So, so many... Kate Bush "Hounds of Love", "This Woman's
Work", "Never be Mine", Sting's "Shape of my Heart",
Alanis Morissette's "Thank You" and "Everything",
U2's "One", Tori Amos' "Silent All These Years",
any of Tom Waits' more heartfelt work, Suzanne Vega's "Small Blue
Thing", Joni Mitchell's "River" and "A Case of You"...
and more than anything, Eva Cassidy's rendition of "Over the Rainbow",
which I can never, ever listen to without getting shivers down my spine.
That woman could get inside and under the skin of a song like no one
else I've ever heard.
How has music inspired you?
In so many ways, every day of my life... Other people's music inspires
me according to its individual nature: Alanis inspires me to continue
to grow as a person and maintain a sense of humor about it. Tom Waits
inspires me to accept myself exactly as I am and not sweat the small
stuff, with a healthy dose of disregard for social norms. Kate Bush
and Tori inspire me to let my imagination and creativity run wild and
uncensored. Eva Cassidy inspires me to find that quiet small place in
the heart, that point of light, and to feel it as fully and as deeply
as I can. Rachmaninoff inspires me to give full vent to my passions...
and so on. Every musician I love contributes somthing unique to my life
in the way of inspiration.
Has music helped you thru a difficult
or traumatic time in your life?
Listening to the music I love helps me feel things more deeply, which
in turn allows me to process trauma more quickly... that connection,
that sense of not being alone in what you're going through, not being
the first to experience it, really helps -- but what helps me the most
when I'm wading through the quagmire is writing music.
When I experience something traumatic, I almost always need -- and need,
not want, is definitely the term here - to write a song about it. It's
my way of healing. Writing brings me to a deeper understanding, and
allows me to wallow in my pain for a while, and then - once the song
is complete - just let it go and start to breathe again. Also, now that
I'm aware of that process, one of my first thoughts when something goes
very wrong is "well, at least I'll get a good song out of it."
That helps too.
Random List:
Best TV show: Battlestar Galactica, The Shield, House.
I am listening to: Beth Orton's "Comfort of Strangers",
James Blunt.
Favorite things today: Preparing to see two of my favorite girlfriends
who are
coming over to watch the Oscars.
Least favorite thing today: Still not having put together the
spare bed or hung
the curtains even though we moved in a month ago.
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12/13/2004
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2/27/2005
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